1 00:00:07,789 --> 00:00:05,590 [Music] 2 00:00:09,230 --> 00:00:07,799 thank you for having me I'm gonna be 3 00:00:10,730 --> 00:00:09,240 talking about the implications of 4 00:00:12,589 --> 00:00:10,740 nonlocality and since I'm not a 5 00:00:13,730 --> 00:00:12,599 physicist I'm going to try and come at 6 00:00:16,430 --> 00:00:13,740 this from a somewhat different 7 00:00:17,660 --> 00:00:16,440 perspective than the usual and I'm going 8 00:00:19,519 --> 00:00:17,670 to try and look at what can be inferred 9 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:19,529 from the three branches of neuro 10 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:22,890 psychological research as well as the 11 00:00:28,970 --> 00:00:25,369 results of a little remote viewing study 12 00:00:31,310 --> 00:00:28,980 now the first thing as a non physicist I 13 00:00:32,990 --> 00:00:31,320 ask myself is what is nonlocality and 14 00:00:35,030 --> 00:00:33,000 what I found is there's lots of 15 00:00:37,790 --> 00:00:35,040 different definitions which is sort of 16 00:00:39,590 --> 00:00:37,800 intriguing classical physics says it's a 17 00:00:42,170 --> 00:00:39,600 direct influence of one object on 18 00:00:44,959 --> 00:00:42,180 another separated from a distance that 19 00:00:47,690 --> 00:00:44,969 can't be explained by local mediators so 20 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:47,700 in essence it's a form of action at a 21 00:00:52,069 --> 00:00:50,010 distance now the problem with this is it 22 00:00:55,700 --> 00:00:52,079 implies causality and we don't know that 23 00:00:57,590 --> 00:00:55,710 that is the case so what's another 24 00:01:00,110 --> 00:00:57,600 definition in quantum physics talks 25 00:01:02,110 --> 00:01:00,120 about it as the correlation of objects 26 00:01:07,310 --> 00:01:02,120 had a distance it can't be explained by 27 00:01:09,710 --> 00:01:07,320 again hidden local variables correlation 28 00:01:11,390 --> 00:01:09,720 is a key word it means it's non positive 29 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:11,400 one isn't causing the other to change 30 00:01:17,149 --> 00:01:14,130 they both just change at the same time 31 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:17,159 or make the same choices let's let right 32 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:19,170 slit whatever so it talks about 33 00:01:23,090 --> 00:01:21,450 entanglement complementary pairs like 34 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:23,100 the particle wave if you have questions 35 00:01:27,590 --> 00:01:25,170 feel free to ask Dean Radin who 36 00:01:28,910 --> 00:01:27,600 understands it much better than I do 37 00:01:30,740 --> 00:01:28,920 I'm going to use this definition 38 00:01:34,100 --> 00:01:30,750 nonlocality is a state without 39 00:01:37,429 --> 00:01:34,110 boundaries of space or time and this 40 00:01:40,940 --> 00:01:37,439 allows us to acquire information on any 41 00:01:43,789 --> 00:01:40,950 topic from any time with virtually no 42 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:43,799 extrinsic limits and the word extrinsic 43 00:01:47,030 --> 00:01:45,329 is important here because the 44 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:47,040 unconscious mind does control what you 45 00:01:52,249 --> 00:01:50,220 can or cannot access and so you have a 46 00:01:55,609 --> 00:01:52,259 certain amount of intrinsic limit but 47 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:55,619 not necessarily extrinsic the same with 48 00:02:00,889 --> 00:01:57,930 mind matter interaction with little 49 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:00,899 caveat you can act on anything anywhere 50 00:02:06,770 --> 00:02:03,810 at any time as long as it hasn't been 51 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:06,780 previously established by observation so 52 00:02:11,110 --> 00:02:08,610 it appears that consciousness plays a 53 00:02:14,750 --> 00:02:11,120 role of some kind 54 00:02:16,849 --> 00:02:14,760 now one of the three branches of 55 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:16,859 parapsychology is the survival of bodily 56 00:02:20,750 --> 00:02:18,450 death and this is probably the least 57 00:02:23,390 --> 00:02:20,760 favorite of most parapsychologists it's 58 00:02:25,099 --> 00:02:23,400 very controversial I've done a fair bit 59 00:02:28,069 --> 00:02:25,109 of research that looked at near-death 60 00:02:32,149 --> 00:02:28,079 experiences past life hypnotherapy 61 00:02:35,750 --> 00:02:32,159 regression reincarnation research mystic 62 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:35,760 visions channeling you name it throw it 63 00:02:39,229 --> 00:02:37,530 all together try and figure out where 64 00:02:41,390 --> 00:02:39,239 the common ground is what do they all 65 00:02:42,589 --> 00:02:41,400 say that it's the same and one of the 66 00:02:44,780 --> 00:02:42,599 things that seems to be a consistent 67 00:02:47,479 --> 00:02:44,790 factor and we're just going to assume 68 00:02:50,089 --> 00:02:47,489 that the afterlife exists here is that 69 00:02:55,309 --> 00:02:50,099 it's an other-dimensional non-local 70 00:02:57,289 --> 00:02:55,319 realm the key here being non-local so 71 00:02:59,119 --> 00:02:57,299 it's not only a place where spirits 72 00:03:01,009 --> 00:02:59,129 exist before incarnation and after the 73 00:03:03,860 --> 00:03:01,019 death of the bodies it's also a way that 74 00:03:06,830 --> 00:03:03,870 we can try and look at now locality and 75 00:03:08,210 --> 00:03:06,840 get some clues about it one of the first 76 00:03:10,099 --> 00:03:08,220 things you'll notice is that almost 77 00:03:12,379 --> 00:03:10,109 everyone talks about it having multiple 78 00:03:15,379 --> 00:03:12,389 energetic layers or vibrational layers 79 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:15,389 which they sort of say interpenetrate so 80 00:03:19,430 --> 00:03:17,370 they're all in the same place at the 81 00:03:21,500 --> 00:03:19,440 same time the space and time don't exist 82 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:21,510 but they don't see each other 83 00:03:26,569 --> 00:03:23,760 necessarily they're vibrating at 84 00:03:28,819 --> 00:03:26,579 different speeds kind of like a fan 85 00:03:30,349 --> 00:03:28,829 blade when it starts up if it's going 86 00:03:33,710 --> 00:03:30,359 really fast you can't see that there's a 87 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:33,720 blade there and to me the implication of 88 00:03:39,860 --> 00:03:36,329 this is that nonlocality does not mean 89 00:03:41,659 --> 00:03:39,870 homogeneity now if we look at other 90 00:03:43,309 --> 00:03:41,669 characteristics of the afterlife we'll 91 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:43,319 see that like minded beings tend to 92 00:03:48,229 --> 00:03:44,970 aggregate together often forming 93 00:03:50,210 --> 00:03:48,239 communities hard to say whether this 94 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:50,220 relates to vibration some sources say 95 00:03:57,050 --> 00:03:53,250 that's the case I almost like to use the 96 00:03:59,059 --> 00:03:57,060 term realms of immediacy even though 97 00:04:01,460 --> 00:03:59,069 time doesn't exist because in some ways 98 00:04:04,009 --> 00:04:01,470 the non-local system can be divided into 99 00:04:06,110 --> 00:04:04,019 two different groups there's that at 100 00:04:07,789 --> 00:04:06,120 which you're aware of at the moment and 101 00:04:09,949 --> 00:04:07,799 there's that which you're not aware of 102 00:04:13,189 --> 00:04:09,959 at the moment and whatever you're aware 103 00:04:14,839 --> 00:04:13,199 of at the moment is there right now so 104 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:14,849 this is suggesting to me that 105 00:04:18,170 --> 00:04:15,769 nonlocality 106 00:04:20,779 --> 00:04:18,180 doesn't mean being overwhelmed by 107 00:04:22,500 --> 00:04:20,789 everything at once emotional closeness 108 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:22,510 and interest can 109 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:24,730 once on what is more accessible or what 110 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:34,260 another issue is one of boundaries some 111 00:04:39,540 --> 00:04:36,490 spirit guides we'll talk about creating 112 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:39,550 walls a vibrating energy around the 113 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:42,190 newly dead around those who are emoting 114 00:04:50,250 --> 00:04:45,730 a lot of energy emotion especially if 115 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:50,260 it's negative anger fear grief doesn't 116 00:04:55,140 --> 00:04:52,330 matter what it is with its really strong 117 00:04:58,080 --> 00:04:55,150 they don't want that energy and emotion 118 00:05:00,060 --> 00:04:58,090 to contaminate the afterlife and so they 119 00:05:03,930 --> 00:05:00,070 can actually create boundaries or 120 00:05:06,180 --> 00:05:03,940 barriers to locality and I've already 121 00:05:08,940 --> 00:05:06,190 put the two implications up there one is 122 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:08,950 that emotions or energy can influence 123 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:10,810 the non-local room which means if we're 124 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:12,970 in a non-local realm we're influencing 125 00:05:17,690 --> 00:05:15,250 the world around us all the time and the 126 00:05:20,010 --> 00:05:17,700 other is that locality can be created by 127 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:20,020 consciousness and I think that's the 128 00:05:27,390 --> 00:05:22,300 most important one we have a choice in 129 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:27,400 some ways now in the afterlife what 130 00:05:32,310 --> 00:05:29,650 Evers thought about instantly manifests 131 00:05:34,770 --> 00:05:32,320 whether good or bad this can be a 132 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:34,780 problem you don't necessarily want to 133 00:05:39,450 --> 00:05:37,570 think about and out of control Rhino 134 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:39,460 charging at you if it's going to 135 00:05:45,750 --> 00:05:43,840 instantly happen so in order to give 136 00:05:47,370 --> 00:05:45,760 spirits a time to adjust to the 137 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:47,380 afterlife learn self discipline of 138 00:05:51,630 --> 00:05:49,510 thought what they talk about is they'll 139 00:05:55,430 --> 00:05:51,640 create a stable environment of a managed 140 00:05:58,830 --> 00:05:55,440 community where they hold reality stable 141 00:06:01,710 --> 00:05:58,840 that it can't shift easily and it gives 142 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:01,720 time that people can adjust without 143 00:06:05,130 --> 00:06:03,450 having to worry about things instantly 144 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:05,140 manifesting every time they have a 145 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:09,130 random thought and I'd like to put out 146 00:06:13,590 --> 00:06:10,930 to you what if the physical plane is 147 00:06:15,420 --> 00:06:13,600 another managed community well you might 148 00:06:17,940 --> 00:06:15,430 ask why would they even bother to do 149 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:17,950 this well spiritual progress is said to 150 00:06:22,650 --> 00:06:20,890 be slower in the afterlife it's easier 151 00:06:25,290 --> 00:06:22,660 to learn lessons in the physical plane 152 00:06:28,110 --> 00:06:25,300 and my conjecture is that this is 153 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:28,120 because we have boundaries here of space 154 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:28,650 and time 155 00:06:35,340 --> 00:06:32,290 so like ality might allow spirits to 156 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:35,350 make better choices have better better 157 00:06:38,530 --> 00:06:36,410 accomplish certain 158 00:06:40,660 --> 00:06:38,540 tasks because there's an awareness of 159 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:40,670 the out I've out yet there's an 160 00:06:45,430 --> 00:06:43,520 awareness of the this happens and then 161 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:45,440 you have this consequence which you 162 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:48,730 don't necessarily have in the afterlife 163 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:50,810 also in the afterlife time moves 164 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:52,610 differently or does not exist at all so 165 00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:54,170 I think the best way to think of time 166 00:07:01,630 --> 00:06:58,250 maybe as locality let's switch gears 167 00:07:04,980 --> 00:07:01,640 from the extremely controversial to the 168 00:07:07,570 --> 00:07:04,990 slightly less controversial which is ESP 169 00:07:09,790 --> 00:07:07,580 one of the first things noted by Goran 170 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:09,800 SHM idler and others and when you read 171 00:07:14,740 --> 00:07:12,530 the psychic threads delightful book is 172 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:14,750 that ESP is more common where there's an 173 00:07:20,830 --> 00:07:18,550 emotional tie or emotional closeness and 174 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:20,840 why this is we're not entirely sure 175 00:07:24,940 --> 00:07:23,210 there's different possibilities it could 176 00:07:26,830 --> 00:07:24,950 relate to the fact that connection being 177 00:07:29,110 --> 00:07:26,840 important to the is important to the 178 00:07:30,910 --> 00:07:29,120 unconscious mind because clearly the 179 00:07:33,250 --> 00:07:30,920 unconscious mind controls what you can 180 00:07:36,580 --> 00:07:33,260 do whether it's ESP or mind matter 181 00:07:38,710 --> 00:07:36,590 interaction on the other hand it's also 182 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:38,720 possible that locality is an illusion or 183 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:40,730 an artificial construct of consciousness 184 00:07:45,730 --> 00:07:43,010 it's more easily breached when there's 185 00:07:50,350 --> 00:07:45,740 an emotional closeness or an altered 186 00:07:52,630 --> 00:07:50,360 state of consciousness now rather than 187 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:52,640 go through ESP n mind matter interaction 188 00:07:58,540 --> 00:07:55,850 also known as psychokinesis or the older 189 00:08:00,340 --> 00:07:58,550 term telekinesis there are certain 190 00:08:02,500 --> 00:08:00,350 things that are true for all forms of 191 00:08:04,170 --> 00:08:02,510 sigh so I'm not going to bore you with 192 00:08:07,030 --> 00:08:04,180 repeating it twice I'm just going to 193 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:07,040 state them together one thing that's 194 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:08,930 very clear is that what a person can or 195 00:08:14,230 --> 00:08:12,770 cannot do or remote view is more a 196 00:08:16,900 --> 00:08:14,240 result of what matters to their 197 00:08:19,270 --> 00:08:16,910 unconscious mind than what they're 198 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:19,280 capable of doing and this is something I 199 00:08:22,090 --> 00:08:20,690 talk to psychics about all the time like 200 00:08:23,860 --> 00:08:22,100 oh I can do this but I can't do that 201 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:23,870 it's like well that's just telling me 202 00:08:27,690 --> 00:08:25,130 what's important to your unconscious 203 00:08:31,750 --> 00:08:27,700 mind not what you're really capable of 204 00:08:34,810 --> 00:08:31,760 as their needs change so will their 205 00:08:37,089 --> 00:08:34,820 abilities now the implication of this is 206 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:37,099 that we can affect the world around us 207 00:08:41,860 --> 00:08:40,010 in ways noticed or not that allow us to 208 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:41,870 meet unconscious needs and this is part 209 00:08:46,900 --> 00:08:44,090 of Jim Jim carpenter's new firstsite 210 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:46,910 theory that he talks about I kind of 211 00:08:50,140 --> 00:08:48,800 agree with it you certainly see it with 212 00:08:53,110 --> 00:08:50,150 poltergeist phenomena 213 00:08:54,970 --> 00:08:53,120 where it's very clear that you're having 214 00:08:59,800 --> 00:08:54,980 my matter interaction that is meeting 215 00:09:01,030 --> 00:08:59,810 unconscious needs the unconscious is 216 00:09:03,490 --> 00:09:01,040 driving the bus 217 00:09:06,010 --> 00:09:03,500 I can't over at you know emphasize that 218 00:09:07,570 --> 00:09:06,020 one we also have the experimenter of 219 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:07,580 fact we're experimenters working under 220 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:10,490 the same conditions will get differing 221 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:12,890 or conflicting results that conform to 222 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:15,680 their desires or expectations and again 223 00:09:19,990 --> 00:09:17,890 this may involve experimenter sigh 224 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:20,000 whether alone or with that of their 225 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:23,600 participants but to me you have to ask 226 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:26,810 are we in unconscious collusion with 227 00:09:33,900 --> 00:09:29,840 others to create our reality and its 228 00:09:37,030 --> 00:09:33,910 limits including locality and 229 00:09:42,910 --> 00:09:37,040 unidirectional time so as to conform 230 00:09:45,820 --> 00:09:42,920 with our beliefs mine matter interaction 231 00:09:48,010 --> 00:09:45,830 is really my special specialty my bread 232 00:09:51,070 --> 00:09:48,020 and butter there are a number of things 233 00:09:53,380 --> 00:09:51,080 I can tell you from an exhaustive 234 00:09:55,090 --> 00:09:53,390 literature review one is the energy 235 00:09:58,690 --> 00:09:55,100 isn't necessarily a factor unless your 236 00:10:00,850 --> 00:09:58,700 belief requires that it be a factor also 237 00:10:04,780 --> 00:10:00,860 belief can alter and limit what is 238 00:10:06,700 --> 00:10:04,790 possible now if you have a healer who 239 00:10:08,830 --> 00:10:06,710 feels cardboard will block their healing 240 00:10:11,230 --> 00:10:08,840 energy cardboard will block their 241 00:10:13,060 --> 00:10:11,240 healing energy if you have a healer who 242 00:10:16,570 --> 00:10:13,070 thinks it's irrelevant it's irrelevant 243 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:16,580 so you have to understand the power of 244 00:10:21,450 --> 00:10:19,370 belief and we're not talking about 245 00:10:23,650 --> 00:10:21,460 conscious belief we're talking about 246 00:10:25,150 --> 00:10:23,660 unconscious belief which unless you've 247 00:10:28,540 --> 00:10:25,160 done a lot of work on yourself you're 248 00:10:31,170 --> 00:10:28,550 not likely to be aware of now the 249 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:31,180 implication to me of this is that 250 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:33,770 nonlocality may be one of the things 251 00:10:40,390 --> 00:10:35,810 that we're limiting ourselves with 252 00:10:42,460 --> 00:10:40,400 through belief also you have to be aware 253 00:10:44,470 --> 00:10:42,470 that shared intention has a greater 254 00:10:46,420 --> 00:10:44,480 impact when you have a group of people 255 00:10:48,460 --> 00:10:46,430 doing mind matter interactions it has 256 00:10:50,770 --> 00:10:48,470 more power usually than a single 257 00:10:53,470 --> 00:10:50,780 individual well what if you have a whole 258 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:53,480 consensus reality it's holding this 259 00:10:57,940 --> 00:10:56,210 paradigm of locality and it's blocking 260 00:11:00,010 --> 00:10:57,950 researchers from being able to find 261 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:00,020 findings of nonlocality 262 00:11:07,509 --> 00:11:03,050 it's an interesting idea 263 00:11:10,990 --> 00:11:07,519 I think time is probably the most 264 00:11:13,060 --> 00:11:11,000 intriguing concept of our era and it's 265 00:11:14,829 --> 00:11:13,070 going to be the one that I hope is sort 266 00:11:17,350 --> 00:11:14,839 of soft in my lifetime I don't know if 267 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:17,360 it will be it's it's something I will be 268 00:11:22,210 --> 00:11:19,010 the first to admit I don't understand 269 00:11:25,750 --> 00:11:22,220 but I'm very very curious about I think 270 00:11:27,340 --> 00:11:25,760 it's an interesting phenomena we have 271 00:11:28,870 --> 00:11:27,350 the retro mind matter interaction 272 00:11:31,949 --> 00:11:28,880 experiments that suggest time is 273 00:11:34,300 --> 00:11:31,959 bi-directional if not multi-directional 274 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:34,310 with time slips you have different time 275 00:11:40,060 --> 00:11:36,890 periods that can simultaneously coexist 276 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:40,070 and then you have the reports of mind 277 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:42,769 matter experiencers who talk about 278 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:45,680 changes in the flow of time in terms of 279 00:11:53,079 --> 00:11:47,810 speed whether it's speeding up standing 280 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:53,089 still slowing down times a big factor in 281 00:12:01,840 --> 00:11:58,250 a lot of reports and so I'm asking these 282 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:01,850 questions I don't know the answer it may 283 00:12:06,550 --> 00:12:04,370 well be all of them are correct but are 284 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:06,560 alterations in time a byproduct of the 285 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:08,450 state of consciousness that's what I 286 00:12:14,079 --> 00:12:10,250 thought ten years ago when I wrote the 287 00:12:16,060 --> 00:12:14,089 PK zone is it the result of of entering 288 00:12:17,740 --> 00:12:16,070 into a non-local dimension a lot of 289 00:12:19,060 --> 00:12:17,750 psychics talk that they feel they open 290 00:12:20,350 --> 00:12:19,070 up and they actually enter another 291 00:12:22,060 --> 00:12:20,360 reality and that's where they do their 292 00:12:24,370 --> 00:12:22,070 work or get their information and then 293 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:24,380 they come back to this reality I don't 294 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:27,290 know is it because locality is an 295 00:12:33,340 --> 00:12:29,510 illusion and we just sort of let go of 296 00:12:36,069 --> 00:12:33,350 that illusion for a little bit is it a 297 00:12:37,900 --> 00:12:36,079 direct result of my net of time being a 298 00:12:39,910 --> 00:12:37,910 target for mine matter interaction I 299 00:12:41,980 --> 00:12:39,920 think that's a definitely I really do 300 00:12:45,370 --> 00:12:41,990 the more I study this the more I think 301 00:12:47,290 --> 00:12:45,380 that we are directly affecting time when 302 00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:47,300 we're doing some of our mind matter 303 00:12:52,269 --> 00:12:49,550 interaction it's the unconscious will do 304 00:12:56,410 --> 00:12:52,279 whatever will get its needs met whatever 305 00:12:58,150 --> 00:12:56,420 needs to accomplish a task and and then 306 00:13:00,220 --> 00:12:58,160 we have that other question is it 307 00:13:03,819 --> 00:13:00,230 because consciousness control space-time 308 00:13:07,180 --> 00:13:03,829 I suspect that may be true also 309 00:13:10,759 --> 00:13:07,190 it's did I skip one I guess not 310 00:13:12,410 --> 00:13:10,769 now I do controlled remote viewing and 311 00:13:16,100 --> 00:13:12,420 there are a number of people here who 312 00:13:18,740 --> 00:13:16,110 who do that one of the advantage of that 313 00:13:21,110 --> 00:13:18,750 technique in my mind is that it can use 314 00:13:24,499 --> 00:13:21,120 numbers to represent any type of target 315 00:13:27,769 --> 00:13:24,509 in existence or nonexistence including 316 00:13:30,259 --> 00:13:27,779 concepts and I actually practice with 317 00:13:32,870 --> 00:13:30,269 the California Bay Area remote viewers 318 00:13:35,569 --> 00:13:32,880 group that we humorously call ourselves 319 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:35,579 group 19 because we meet in room 19 320 00:13:41,059 --> 00:13:38,250 nothing too fancy about that and it's 321 00:13:43,579 --> 00:13:41,069 been run by VJ Ram for over ten years 322 00:13:45,230 --> 00:13:43,589 and meets twice a month and we're just 323 00:13:49,220 --> 00:13:45,240 there to practice and to learn and to 324 00:13:51,350 --> 00:13:49,230 keep our skills honed now since we're 325 00:13:53,449 --> 00:13:51,360 used to working with all types of 326 00:13:55,970 --> 00:13:53,459 targets imaginable including pair of 327 00:13:57,829 --> 00:13:55,980 physical ones historical ones you know 328 00:14:00,980 --> 00:13:57,839 and real photo targets all kinds of 329 00:14:05,329 --> 00:14:00,990 things concepts I especially like the 330 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:05,339 concept once I figured why not task them 331 00:14:10,579 --> 00:14:08,610 with this topic what are the 332 00:14:15,170 --> 00:14:10,589 implications of nonlocality and see what 333 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:15,180 they come up with and so that's what I 334 00:14:19,999 --> 00:14:17,370 did 335 00:14:21,470 --> 00:14:20,009 two of them only unfortunately only two 336 00:14:23,329 --> 00:14:21,480 other people showed up that week so 337 00:14:26,300 --> 00:14:23,339 there's only gonna be three people in 338 00:14:28,699 --> 00:14:26,310 this and I was clearly not blind 339 00:14:30,530 --> 00:14:28,709 none were reimbursed sessions were 340 00:14:32,689 --> 00:14:30,540 really short they only lasted about 45 341 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:32,699 minutes so we didn't get in depth with 342 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:35,610 this I didn't give any front mood or in 343 00:14:38,900 --> 00:14:37,889 loading to the blind participants I just 344 00:14:40,189 --> 00:14:38,910 wanted to see what they come up with 345 00:14:42,019 --> 00:14:40,199 it's all they knew was they had a text 346 00:14:46,699 --> 00:14:42,029 target they had no idea what kind of 347 00:14:49,249 --> 00:14:46,709 target could be anything goes the first 348 00:14:51,470 --> 00:14:49,259 remote viewer is it's kind of nice we 349 00:14:53,090 --> 00:14:51,480 sort of went the spectrum he's a total 350 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:53,100 beginner really he'd only been doing it 351 00:14:58,610 --> 00:14:55,170 about a year he'd only had beginning 352 00:15:03,889 --> 00:14:58,620 class from Lyn Buchanan and what he got 353 00:15:06,980 --> 00:15:03,899 was people peace life and death may be 354 00:15:10,550 --> 00:15:06,990 seen as a disaster at first I liked that 355 00:15:13,850 --> 00:15:10,560 one dichotomies of everything 356 00:15:16,340 --> 00:15:13,860 and has a historical perspective and I 357 00:15:19,930 --> 00:15:16,350 like that one but I still don't have a 358 00:15:22,550 --> 00:15:19,940 clue what it means but it feels right 359 00:15:25,070 --> 00:15:22,560 the second remote viewer was the most 360 00:15:26,390 --> 00:15:25,080 experienced and that was VJ he's he's 361 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:26,400 been doing this over ten years he's 362 00:15:32,290 --> 00:15:28,410 trained under a lot of different people 363 00:15:34,550 --> 00:15:32,300 and he uses a wide range of techniques 364 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:34,560 he got a little bit more than the other 365 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:34,890 guy 366 00:15:39,710 --> 00:15:37,650 he got stable travelling through a 367 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:39,720 network of things that bubble up and 368 00:15:48,650 --> 00:15:44,010 give life again network of things giving 369 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:48,660 purpose giving life work is being done 370 00:15:57,769 --> 00:15:53,370 but it's not troubling anyone nothing's 371 00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:57,779 there nobody's helping anybody and stuff 372 00:16:05,450 --> 00:16:00,000 is happening but nothing bad to anyone 373 00:16:09,829 --> 00:16:05,460 it's all being done for good now 374 00:16:13,579 --> 00:16:09,839 I was not blind but I did this anyway 375 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:13,589 because I really enjoy conceptual 376 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:16,410 targets I did actually bring my sheets 377 00:16:21,020 --> 00:16:18,089 with me that I worked from if anyone's 378 00:16:24,170 --> 00:16:21,030 curious to see what remote viewing data 379 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:24,180 sheets look like as well as my sheets 380 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:27,650 for a different conceptual target I did 381 00:16:33,740 --> 00:16:30,810 which I was blind to what the target was 382 00:16:35,390 --> 00:16:33,750 until afterwards and that was the most 383 00:16:37,670 --> 00:16:35,400 important aspects of the Jonestown 384 00:16:41,570 --> 00:16:37,680 Massacre somebody gave me that one 385 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:41,580 delightful one of the things I like to 386 00:16:49,010 --> 00:16:44,490 do that VJ sort of came up with is using 387 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:49,020 sand to create your your model for your 388 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:52,710 CoV target and I really really liked it 389 00:16:58,070 --> 00:16:55,410 I kid I just loved playing in the 390 00:17:00,590 --> 00:16:58,080 sandbox and I think this just brings up 391 00:17:02,510 --> 00:17:00,600 great joy to my unconscious because when 392 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:02,520 I compare the results I get in the 393 00:17:06,559 --> 00:17:04,650 sandbox if I do a timeline and if I 394 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:06,569 compare that with the results I get on 395 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:08,010 paper I'm always more accurate in the 396 00:17:13,309 --> 00:17:10,650 sand mind conscious just adores it and 397 00:17:16,069 --> 00:17:13,319 and it makes sense that it would work 398 00:17:19,819 --> 00:17:16,079 well because it's what psychologists use 399 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:19,829 for play therapy and also to find out 400 00:17:23,150 --> 00:17:21,209 what's on the unconscious minds of 401 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:23,160 children so it's a it's a great way to 402 00:17:27,020 --> 00:17:24,330 get information 403 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:27,030 and as you can see from this I got four 404 00:17:32,330 --> 00:17:31,260 major ideograms this one which I spent 405 00:17:34,460 --> 00:17:32,340 the most time with it was the most 406 00:17:34,730 --> 00:17:34,470 interesting this one this one and this 407 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:34,740 one 408 00:17:43,970 --> 00:17:41,370 I got it has a confusing runaway aspect 409 00:17:46,430 --> 00:17:43,980 that's overwhelming it's composed of 410 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:46,440 dichotomies so a little repeat of what 411 00:17:52,690 --> 00:17:49,770 you were one guy that they're separate 412 00:17:55,250 --> 00:17:52,700 yet together everywhere in nowhere 413 00:17:58,130 --> 00:17:55,260 everything's the same unchanging only 414 00:18:00,110 --> 00:17:58,140 our viewpoint changes determined by 415 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:00,120 consciousness which connects through 416 00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:02,810 time when I'm getting concepts I'll get 417 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:05,160 sentences sometimes that's just typical 418 00:18:10,460 --> 00:18:08,490 for me endless repetition of patterns we 419 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:10,470 think are different yet are the same the 420 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:12,530 differences are only superficial 421 00:18:18,170 --> 00:18:16,050 nonlocality does not mean homogeneity it 422 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:18,180 has a living organic quality almost a 423 00:18:25,090 --> 00:18:21,690 breathing in and breathing out it's not 424 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:25,100 quite what we think it's kind of a duh 425 00:18:29,210 --> 00:18:27,570 we connect energetically two points of 426 00:18:32,120 --> 00:18:29,220 time and can shift around because of 427 00:18:33,470 --> 00:18:32,130 separateness dad's maybe was sort of 428 00:18:35,390 --> 00:18:33,480 interesting so again it's saying that 429 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:35,400 there's a an advantage to the 430 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:38,460 separateness the more consciousness 431 00:18:42,610 --> 00:18:40,380 participates in the non-local the less 432 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:42,620 it participates in the unique and 433 00:18:48,050 --> 00:18:45,330 sometimes the future and past loop back 434 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:48,060 to the present the flow of time curling 435 00:18:54,820 --> 00:18:51,810 back on itself and I will show you the 436 00:18:57,110 --> 00:18:54,830 drawing I did of this because this is 437 00:19:02,150 --> 00:18:57,120 basically the sketch I did off of the 438 00:19:05,090 --> 00:19:02,160 green ideogram up here and what I was 439 00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:05,100 getting was that returning to the past 440 00:19:12,290 --> 00:19:09,840 it's memory or retro cognition and then 441 00:19:14,870 --> 00:19:12,300 it loops back to the present again and 442 00:19:16,580 --> 00:19:14,880 with this it's precognition deja vu you 443 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:16,590 sort of dip into the future and loop 444 00:19:24,530 --> 00:19:23,010 back to the present so to summarize I'm 445 00:19:27,230 --> 00:19:24,540 trying to keep Roger where he doesn't 446 00:19:29,090 --> 00:19:27,240 have to work too hard today the particle 447 00:19:33,290 --> 00:19:29,100 wave dichotomy may be the tip of the 448 00:19:37,250 --> 00:19:33,300 complimentarity iceberg nonlocality does 449 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:37,260 not mean homogeneity or ease of locality 450 00:19:40,850 --> 00:19:38,010 can exist 451 00:19:43,690 --> 00:19:40,860 within nonlocality I think that's an 452 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:43,700 important one you can have simultaneous 453 00:19:51,350 --> 00:19:49,050 locality and non locality limits can be 454 00:19:55,370 --> 00:19:51,360 imposed by consciousness there can be 455 00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:55,380 benefits to locality and it's possible 456 00:20:01,340 --> 00:19:57,330 that by changing ourselves we can 457 00:20:05,650 --> 00:20:01,350 through entanglement nonlocality affect 458 00:20:08,510 --> 00:20:05,660 every other particle connected to us 459 00:20:11,950 --> 00:20:08,520 what we experience in life is at least 460 00:20:14,180 --> 00:20:11,960 partially a product of our own choices I 461 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:14,190 think it's important that we accept 462 00:20:17,540 --> 00:20:15,930 responsibility to make thoughtful 463 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:17,550 choices and to practice mental 464 00:20:20,690 --> 00:20:19,410 self-discipline which by the way the 465 00:20:22,310 --> 00:20:20,700 spirits say will help us in the 466 00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:22,320 afterlife because we'll have a head up 467 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:24,600 on learning that middle self control 468 00:20:29,870 --> 00:20:28,110 that we need research findings on 469 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:29,880 nonlocality may be influenced by 470 00:20:34,190 --> 00:20:31,890 experiment or participant beliefs as 471 00:20:37,310 --> 00:20:34,200 well as general cultural beliefs because 472 00:20:39,830 --> 00:20:37,320 this is a co-created reality so that 473 00:20:43,100 --> 00:20:39,840 means can we trust our findings if 474 00:20:47,230 --> 00:20:43,110 they're saying we have locality not 475 00:20:49,700 --> 00:20:47,240 necessarily I don't know I think rigid 476 00:20:53,890 --> 00:20:49,710 existence may be less rigid or fixing we 477 00:20:56,090 --> 00:20:53,900 imagine shifting forms from the virtual 478 00:20:58,460 --> 00:20:56,100 back-and-forth to the real almost like 479 00:21:03,920 --> 00:20:58,470 the breathing of a living organism and 480 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:03,930 that as a whole the non-local is a fluid 481 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:09,090 network that's stable the question might 482 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:11,310 be what could result if we if this is 483 00:21:15,830 --> 00:21:14,130 true and this is all conjecture here I'm 484 00:21:18,950 --> 00:21:15,840 first to admit I don't know for sure I'm 485 00:21:21,230 --> 00:21:18,960 throwing out ideas it's the fact that 486 00:21:23,570 --> 00:21:21,240 understanding that karma is simultaneous 487 00:21:25,430 --> 00:21:23,580 what you do to someone else is instantly 488 00:21:28,190 --> 00:21:25,440 happening to you you're not waiting for 489 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:28,200 another lifetime it's now in the moment 490 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:31,770 I think if we took on that belief we'd 491 00:21:36,230 --> 00:21:33,810 also take on increased spirituality 492 00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:36,240 because of a greater awareness of the 493 00:21:42,620 --> 00:21:40,190 broader perspective of broader view I 494 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:42,630 think it could change our whole paradigm 495 00:21:47,870 --> 00:21:44,730 which I think some might indeed see as a 496 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:47,880 disaster but I think it could also be 497 00:21:50,870 --> 00:21:50,490 empowering because it could say we can 498 00:22:02,140 --> 00:21:50,880 indeed 499 00:22:08,020 --> 00:22:04,790 Thank You Pamela who is the fastest 35 500 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:08,030 minutes I've ever seen and I'd like to 501 00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:10,650 take advantage of having microphone in 502 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:14,400 my hand to ask if you would expand a 503 00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:16,170 little on the idea that you presented 504 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:21,240 early in the talk that there we we may 505 00:22:27,260 --> 00:22:24,810 be actually as a consent creating a 506 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:27,270 consensus reality in which SCI might 507 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:31,110 exist or might not exist I'm one of 508 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:34,770 those who do the research in which we 509 00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:36,450 find that sometimes it works and 510 00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:39,600 sometimes it doesn't and I so just 511 00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:42,900 generally and openly could you expand on 512 00:22:47,570 --> 00:22:46,080 that idea there's tremendous amount of 513 00:22:51,500 --> 00:22:47,580 self-fulfilling prophecy in this 514 00:22:53,150 --> 00:22:51,510 business and we are constantly dealing 515 00:22:56,510 --> 00:22:53,160 with the fact that Souza co-created 516 00:22:57,380 --> 00:22:56,520 reality you can talk to any psychic and 517 00:22:59,150 --> 00:22:57,390 they'll tell you there are certain 518 00:23:00,770 --> 00:22:59,160 people who can shut them down on a 519 00:23:02,450 --> 00:23:00,780 heartbeat any time they're around them 520 00:23:05,090 --> 00:23:02,460 they can't feel any energy they can't 521 00:23:07,670 --> 00:23:05,100 connect they can't get any ESP they 522 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:07,680 can't do my matter interaction on the 523 00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:09,570 other hand it's a whole business of 524 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:12,000 whether you have a sigh conducive 525 00:23:17,380 --> 00:23:14,970 experimenter that a Gertrude Schneider 526 00:23:20,060 --> 00:23:17,390 talked about there's some people who can 527 00:23:23,630 --> 00:23:20,070 get the best out of their participants 528 00:23:25,310 --> 00:23:23,640 and it's not necessarily them doing the 529 00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:25,320 sigh themselves although I'm not sure 530 00:23:32,150 --> 00:23:28,260 that there's any way to block that other 531 00:23:33,470 --> 00:23:32,160 than you know doing a good research 532 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:33,480 design where you have one who's sort of 533 00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:35,070 skeptical and you have one who's a 534 00:23:39,890 --> 00:23:37,500 believer like Merlin Schlitz and Richard 535 00:23:42,190 --> 00:23:39,900 Wiseman did I'd love to see more studies 536 00:23:44,510 --> 00:23:42,200 like that I think that's awesome 537 00:23:46,220 --> 00:23:44,520 only two or three studies showed the 538 00:23:48,410 --> 00:23:46,230 experimenter of fact but Marilyn said 539 00:23:51,170 --> 00:23:48,420 that she was so tired by the end of this 540 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:51,180 the third study that I think she wanted 541 00:24:01,250 --> 00:23:54,690 it to she's like I just want to be done 542 00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:01,260 with this I think that the problem that 543 00:24:04,370 --> 00:24:03,870 I see the most often is people don't 544 00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:04,380 understand 545 00:24:07,610 --> 00:24:06,240 and the power of the unconscious mind so 546 00:24:10,340 --> 00:24:07,620 I'll say again what I said before the 547 00:24:12,890 --> 00:24:10,350 unconscious mind is driving the bus and 548 00:24:16,430 --> 00:24:12,900 so unless you've done a lot of therapy 549 00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:16,440 or done a tremendous amount of work one 550 00:24:21,140 --> 00:24:17,820 of the advantages of controlled remote 551 00:24:24,770 --> 00:24:21,150 viewing why I do it isn't to necessarily 552 00:24:27,230 --> 00:24:24,780 get better as a psychic or better as a 553 00:24:29,900 --> 00:24:27,240 remote viewer it's to learn about myself 554 00:24:32,390 --> 00:24:29,910 because you learn a tremendous amount by 555 00:24:34,940 --> 00:24:32,400 what you can or cannot connect to and 556 00:24:37,940 --> 00:24:34,950 the unconscious mind will throw in all 557 00:24:42,740 --> 00:24:37,950 these side comments about how it feels 558 00:24:45,290 --> 00:24:42,750 about anything my own personal pet peeve 559 00:24:47,810 --> 00:24:45,300 is I don't like people who refer to 560 00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:47,820 regular psychic stuff as controlled 561 00:24:54,260 --> 00:24:49,020 remote viewing they are very different 562 00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:54,270 ways of working but I just think it's 563 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:56,250 really hard to know how your unconscious 564 00:25:00,640 --> 00:24:58,530 feels about things whether whether it 565 00:25:04,730 --> 00:25:00,650 has this sort of sneaky you wish to 566 00:25:06,950 --> 00:25:04,740 sabotage you or to succeed it'll do 567 00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:06,960 whatever it takes to get those needs met 568 00:25:13,300 --> 00:25:09,030 you know poltergeist phenomena show that 569 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:13,310 really okay some more questions and 570 00:25:18,410 --> 00:25:16,170 would be best if you'd come up to the 571 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:18,420 microphone maybe those people have 572 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:21,690 questions could come over here answer 573 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:23,850 your question I was actually thinking of 574 00:25:27,290 --> 00:25:25,170 your research a little bit with that 575 00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:27,300 that sometimes you get a little locality 576 00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,260 with your nonlocality a little mix thank 577 00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:33,360 you doctor um I had a question as an MD 578 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:35,640 and anesthesiologist did you ever have 579 00:25:40,910 --> 00:25:39,000 the experience of a patient passing 580 00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:40,920 alone flatlining and then coming back 581 00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:43,500 and having them tell you about it yep 582 00:25:51,050 --> 00:25:47,580 over 30 years early thank you and I was 583 00:25:53,780 --> 00:25:51,060 I was open to asking I don't think it's 584 00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:53,790 that common or or you know I but I was 585 00:25:57,860 --> 00:25:56,340 using my own intuition to know when they 586 00:25:59,240 --> 00:25:57,870 were going to do something nasty that 587 00:26:02,920 --> 00:25:59,250 I'd better start double-checking 588 00:26:06,980 --> 00:26:02,930 everything really fast and I did prevent 589 00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:06,990 disasters when I could yeah my question 590 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:08,580 is about I guess I'll call it 591 00:26:12,980 --> 00:26:11,130 conditioned space William tiller to find 592 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:12,990 that it's one of the variables has 593 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:14,730 anybody ever tried to that you know of 594 00:26:20,090 --> 00:26:17,910 try to get quantify 595 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:20,100 aspects of conditioned space that 596 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:23,490 support the phenomena I don't think I 597 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:25,170 understand conditioned space well enough 598 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:31,050 answer that okay thank you in your 599 00:26:38,120 --> 00:26:34,050 opinion what exactly is it about emotion 600 00:26:40,850 --> 00:26:38,130 that makes it so influential its power I 601 00:26:43,130 --> 00:26:40,860 mean if you know if you talk about the 602 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:43,140 unconscious driving the bus I'm emotion 603 00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:45,570 is sometimes the fuel you know that puts 604 00:26:52,550 --> 00:26:50,640 it in gear it is it is the lead thing 605 00:26:54,770 --> 00:26:52,560 that you see in spontaneous experiences 606 00:26:57,890 --> 00:26:54,780 when you look at my matter experiences 607 00:26:59,960 --> 00:26:57,900 they fall into two categories one is the 608 00:27:01,130 --> 00:26:59,970 experienced person who does it by going 609 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:01,140 into an altered state of consciousness 610 00:27:07,450 --> 00:27:03,450 and just and it's often a very 611 00:27:09,620 --> 00:27:07,460 unemotional just making the changes with 612 00:27:13,780 --> 00:27:09,630 spontaneous experiences it's almost 613 00:27:18,770 --> 00:27:13,790 always peak emotion that triggers it and 614 00:27:20,540 --> 00:27:18,780 it's it's a release of that emotion so 615 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:20,550 if people are trying to learn how to do 616 00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:22,290 mine matter interaction a lot of times 617 00:27:26,150 --> 00:27:23,940 the best way for them to do it is to 618 00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:26,160 think of a really emotional moment like 619 00:27:31,580 --> 00:27:29,700 if you're trying to bend a spoon jack 620 00:27:33,140 --> 00:27:31,590 hockey's to say the most impressive 621 00:27:37,010 --> 00:27:33,150 spoons here was how bent weary by a 622 00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:37,020 Vietnam but who had been in a situation 623 00:27:41,630 --> 00:27:40,200 where he has they parachuted in and his 624 00:27:45,020 --> 00:27:41,640 parachute had gotten caught in a tree 625 00:27:47,540 --> 00:27:45,030 and the Vietcong were there and they had 626 00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:47,550 machine gun everybody in his group and 627 00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:49,830 he was the only one who survived hanging 628 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:52,080 from this tree helpless he thought of 629 00:28:02,000 --> 00:27:54,330 that moment and the spoons just flopped 630 00:28:04,940 --> 00:28:02,010 over I can see why thank you thank you 631 00:28:08,090 --> 00:28:04,950 as an anesthesiologist did you have any 632 00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:08,100 any different kinds of interactions with 633 00:28:14,570 --> 00:28:09,870 people when they're conscious minds are 634 00:28:15,890 --> 00:28:14,580 not in charge me yes one of the things 635 00:28:17,780 --> 00:28:15,900 that the University of Arizona was 636 00:28:21,100 --> 00:28:17,790 looking at is the fact that there's two 637 00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:21,110 types of memory implicit and explicit 638 00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:30,030 I saw this probably most dramatically 639 00:28:36,030 --> 00:28:34,480 with child victims of rape and that even 640 00:28:37,380 --> 00:28:36,040 if they were totally unconscious under 641 00:28:39,900 --> 00:28:37,390 full general anesthesia their body 642 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:39,910 remembered being touched and they would 643 00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:42,610 just go nuts just I mean because 644 00:28:46,950 --> 00:28:44,950 sometimes he yeah absolutely ten doc 645 00:28:49,140 --> 00:28:46,960 would have to examine them as part of 646 00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:49,150 the police procedure and stuff and they 647 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:50,800 couldn't do it it was like a moving 648 00:28:54,660 --> 00:28:51,970 target even under full general 649 00:28:58,380 --> 00:28:54,670 anesthesia so clearly the unconscious 650 00:29:02,390 --> 00:28:58,390 mind remembers things unrelated to the 651 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:02,400 conscious does that answer your question 652 00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:05,770 yeah so lawndale graph I work in both 653 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:07,630 see we've no viewing side and a dream 654 00:29:11,130 --> 00:29:09,730 side and I find that when I'm doing 655 00:29:14,460 --> 00:29:11,140 experiments with people that are 656 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,470 relatively new if I ask them to recall 657 00:29:19,020 --> 00:29:16,960 dreams whatever they might be the dream 658 00:29:20,670 --> 00:29:19,030 itself will reveal some of the 659 00:29:23,070 --> 00:29:20,680 resistances whether it's within 660 00:29:25,140 --> 00:29:23,080 themselves or within an environment that 661 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:25,150 they might have come from so I worked 662 00:29:30,410 --> 00:29:27,910 then kind of in a semi syrup utak mode 663 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:30,420 to get overlap impos'd 664 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:32,530 situation in my opinion and then move 665 00:29:37,470 --> 00:29:34,890 forward so I'm wondering if in your work 666 00:29:41,850 --> 00:29:37,480 spontaneously or otherwise you can run 667 00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:41,860 into insights unanticipated from the 668 00:29:47,580 --> 00:29:43,960 dreams of yourself or the people you 669 00:29:50,790 --> 00:29:47,590 work with I pay a lot of attention to my 670 00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:50,800 dreams I'm I'm I'm a certified master 671 00:29:57,540 --> 00:29:53,710 hypnotherapist among other things so I I 672 00:29:59,970 --> 00:29:57,550 do regular work with myself and try to 673 00:30:02,610 --> 00:29:59,980 really improve my communication with my 674 00:30:06,780 --> 00:30:02,620 unconscious mind at all times and and 675 00:30:07,890 --> 00:30:06,790 work on my issues even so with 676 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:07,900 controlled remote viewing 677 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:12,010 you'll still sometimes get surprises you 678 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:16,330 know the unconscious mind will give you 679 00:30:19,950 --> 00:30:18,010 all this sort of commentary and 680 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:19,960 sometimes it's sort of aleb you can 681 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:21,970 would call the p5 how you have symbols 682 00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:24,040 for certain things and you start to 683 00:30:27,540 --> 00:30:25,660 learn how to translate what that symbol 684 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:27,550 means to me it's the same as how 685 00:30:32,610 --> 00:30:30,130 psychics will will tell you oh I see 686 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:32,620 this symbol when I'm meditating I know 687 00:30:36,390 --> 00:30:35,110 it means this so you start to learn to 688 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:36,400 translate the language that the 689 00:30:41,070 --> 00:30:39,370 unconscious is talking to about but you 690 00:30:41,470 --> 00:30:41,080 can do that work for years and years 691 00:30:43,409 --> 00:30:41,480 since 692 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:43,419 still have some interesting surprises 693 00:31:00,700 --> 00:30:55,600 speaking of surprises since you've been 694 00:31:03,610 --> 00:31:00,710 suggesting that the world may be a or 695 00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:03,620 the physical world may be a consensus 696 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:06,340 created by our collective belief systems 697 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:09,770 how in such a view is it possible for 698 00:31:19,500 --> 00:31:12,770 anybody to get evidence that contradicts 699 00:31:25,659 --> 00:31:23,289 I think I think that is part of it and 700 00:31:30,010 --> 00:31:25,669 you can have groups of researchers who 701 00:31:32,289 --> 00:31:30,020 are very focused I think focus 702 00:31:33,970 --> 00:31:32,299 translates to power when it comes to 703 00:31:36,100 --> 00:31:33,980 mind matter interaction the more focused 704 00:31:38,350 --> 00:31:36,110 you are the more power you have when it 705 00:31:41,260 --> 00:31:38,360 comes to making shifts the other thing 706 00:31:43,450 --> 00:31:41,270 you need to consider that maybe didn't 707 00:31:45,549 --> 00:31:43,460 come through in the talk is that we may 708 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:45,559 not be the ones creating this consensus 709 00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:47,690 reality it could be it's been done from 710 00:31:53,110 --> 00:31:50,270 the spirit realm who know what's going 711 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:53,120 on and do they allow us to gradually 712 00:32:00,760 --> 00:31:56,210 make shifts start to grow as our own 713 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:00,770 method of spiritual growth maybe I don't 714 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:03,110 know I'm just throwing out ideas I want 715 00:32:10,810 --> 00:32:06,290 to get people thinking like those 716 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:10,820 neurons synapse I'm a neurologist and 717 00:32:16,450 --> 00:32:13,010 I'd like to ask you a biological 718 00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:16,460 question do you think that the frontal 719 00:32:22,659 --> 00:32:19,120 lobes of the brain might in fact be 720 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:22,669 serving to inhibit the unconscious brain 721 00:32:28,150 --> 00:32:25,010 and that the activity of the frontal 722 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:28,160 lobes might be suppressing these 723 00:32:34,510 --> 00:32:31,130 abilities remote viewing creating an 724 00:32:38,020 --> 00:32:34,520 environment of locality and then if you 725 00:32:40,450 --> 00:32:38,030 looked at people who had either frontal 726 00:32:43,770 --> 00:32:40,460 lobe damage or was frontal lobes weren't 727 00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:43,780 working you might in fact get enhanced 728 00:32:50,110 --> 00:32:47,360 effects of the unconscious brain yeah I 729 00:32:52,299 --> 00:32:50,120 don't for several reasons one is you 730 00:32:53,420 --> 00:32:52,309 don't really see strong evidence of 731 00:32:56,110 --> 00:32:53,430 tsiyon animals 732 00:32:58,580 --> 00:32:56,120 who have more than mammalian brain and 733 00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:58,590 lack the frontal cortex you would think 734 00:33:05,180 --> 00:33:01,140 if all you need for that kind of 735 00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:05,190 consciousness is the hind brain that you 736 00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:08,520 should see more obvious I and animals we 737 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:10,260 don't really it's really pretty iffy 738 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:11,610 whether any of that is anything other 739 00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:15,810 than experimenter effect I actually talk 740 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:18,150 in my my matter book I have to have a 741 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:20,370 section on the brain and I look at the 742 00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,870 frontal lobes one of the things that's 743 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:23,700 interesting it's very consistent in 744 00:33:28,700 --> 00:33:25,290 every experience of mind matter 745 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:28,710 interaction is there's focused awareness 746 00:33:36,770 --> 00:33:31,250 which is very definitely a right 747 00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:36,780 hemisphere you know locus so if you 748 00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:39,870 didn't have that ability to focus your 749 00:33:44,060 --> 00:33:41,670 awareness can you do mine matter 750 00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:44,070 interaction I don't see I don't see 751 00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:48,120 evidence of that we did a study in a 752 00:33:53,930 --> 00:33:51,120 patient with a huge left frontal lesion 753 00:33:58,280 --> 00:33:53,940 but had an intact right frontal lesion 754 00:34:01,760 --> 00:33:58,290 and actually replicated a psychokinetic 755 00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:01,770 effect using the random event generator 756 00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,100 from the pear lab so the question is 757 00:34:09,649 --> 00:34:07,200 although in animals you might not see it 758 00:34:12,590 --> 00:34:09,659 could the human brain have evolved to 759 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:12,600 the point that the rest of it which is 760 00:34:18,830 --> 00:34:15,090 different from animals might in fact be 761 00:34:20,780 --> 00:34:18,840 released when you suppress parts the 762 00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:20,790 frontal lobe not all of it because you 763 00:34:27,139 --> 00:34:24,659 do need some of it yeah I always love 764 00:34:28,220 --> 00:34:27,149 those kind of studies they're always 765 00:34:30,230 --> 00:34:28,230 interesting but the problem is they're 766 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:30,240 also always a very small number of 767 00:34:34,100 --> 00:34:32,370 subjects by definition since we can't 768 00:34:35,870 --> 00:34:34,110 you know go in and muck with people's 769 00:34:39,260 --> 00:34:35,880 brains or it's unethical to I would 770 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:39,270 think so then you don't know is this 771 00:34:45,740 --> 00:34:41,970 experimenter effect were they the ones 772 00:34:49,220 --> 00:34:45,750 doing the sigh or were you you don't 773 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:49,230 know and there there are very 774 00:34:53,659 --> 00:34:51,690 interesting you know one-sided but I 775 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:53,669 think for us to really understand the 776 00:34:56,659 --> 00:34:55,050 effect of the brain and the frontal 777 00:34:59,270 --> 00:34:56,669 cortex the frontal lobes we're gonna 778 00:35:01,580 --> 00:34:59,280 have to have more fMRI studies so I hope 779 00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,590 you can do them I hope you have access 780 00:35:05,770 --> 00:35:04,320 working on it excellent that's what we 781 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:05,780 really need 782 00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:08,150 I really enjoyed your talk I want to try 783 00:35:11,170 --> 00:35:10,609 again though on the conditioned space 784 00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:11,180 okay 785 00:35:15,550 --> 00:35:13,609 with a quick explanation bill teller 786 00:35:17,530 --> 00:35:15,560 said that when a group of people come 787 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:17,540 together in the same place with the same 788 00:35:23,650 --> 00:35:18,530 intent 789 00:35:26,349 --> 00:35:23,660 you know harmonized and so on the space 790 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:26,359 itself becomes conditioned in such a way 791 00:35:33,069 --> 00:35:29,930 that it actually amplifies you know and 792 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:33,079 harmonizes what the intention is and if 793 00:35:35,950 --> 00:35:34,490 they went to a different space it just 794 00:35:38,109 --> 00:35:35,960 wouldn't wouldn't be as strong the 795 00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,119 effect wouldn't be as strong and some of 796 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:39,680 his experiments showed that that there 797 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:43,130 was an effect it could be a church or in 798 00:35:46,270 --> 00:35:44,930 his case I think it was just a room of 799 00:35:48,730 --> 00:35:46,280 some sort where the group came together 800 00:35:50,380 --> 00:35:48,740 over and over again and focused and 801 00:35:52,210 --> 00:35:50,390 concentrated on the same thing any 802 00:35:53,890 --> 00:35:52,220 experience you might have with that I'm 803 00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:53,900 the two things I'd say one is it makes 804 00:35:58,089 --> 00:35:56,300 me think of the linger effect which is 805 00:36:00,510 --> 00:35:58,099 certainly seen by Jack Hawke and others 806 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:00,520 where if they do a PK party and you have 807 00:36:05,109 --> 00:36:03,530 pieces of metal sealed in glass it'll 808 00:36:09,309 --> 00:36:05,119 continue to mend for three days after 809 00:36:10,839 --> 00:36:09,319 the party so yeah there may be a longer 810 00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:10,849 affect I think one of my favorite 811 00:36:15,940 --> 00:36:13,400 studies on group consciousness making an 812 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:15,950 effect in the area was the meditators 813 00:36:22,390 --> 00:36:20,240 who meditated on I guess peace and in I 814 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:22,400 think it was in the Bay Area California 815 00:36:27,700 --> 00:36:25,010 and what they found was a crime rate 816 00:36:30,579 --> 00:36:27,710 went down and then they stopped the 817 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:30,589 crime rate went back up and so those 818 00:36:33,609 --> 00:36:31,970 sorts of things are interesting it does 819 00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:33,619 suggest we can really influence the 820 00:36:38,890 --> 00:36:35,569 world around us especially if we are 821 00:36:42,099 --> 00:36:38,900 working together with with one focused 822 00:36:44,559 --> 00:36:42,109 intention now Bob Monroe did a bunch of 823 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:44,569 studies with that too I think yeah could 824 00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:47,450 you discuss list perhaps rank the 825 00:36:56,290 --> 00:36:49,849 factors that you feel limit our 826 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:00,550 determine well gosh I don't the problem 827 00:37:03,339 --> 00:37:01,609 is we don't understand what the 828 00:37:05,230 --> 00:37:03,349 unconscious mind is I mean we don't even 829 00:37:07,839 --> 00:37:05,240 understand the conscious mind that well 830 00:37:10,089 --> 00:37:07,849 we can't prove it 831 00:37:12,819 --> 00:37:10,099 we don't even know is the unconscious 832 00:37:14,770 --> 00:37:12,829 mind actually the body some people 833 00:37:16,450 --> 00:37:14,780 suspect it is the way it stores memories 834 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:16,460 when you touch a spot in the body I mean 835 00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:18,410 and there 836 00:37:22,299 --> 00:37:20,720 you know the question of are we having 837 00:37:24,339 --> 00:37:22,309 thoughts before it's reflected in the 838 00:37:26,019 --> 00:37:24,349 brain we don't know where consciousness 839 00:37:29,349 --> 00:37:26,029 is we don't know where the unconscious 840 00:37:31,259 --> 00:37:29,359 is clearly some of it is beliefs that 841 00:37:33,819 --> 00:37:31,269 are taking on very very young now 842 00:37:36,370 --> 00:37:33,829 whether that's happening intrauterine 843 00:37:39,130 --> 00:37:36,380 because it's very clear that babies do 844 00:37:41,259 --> 00:37:39,140 hear while they're still in the womb 845 00:37:43,509 --> 00:37:41,269 whether it's beliefs that you take on as 846 00:37:46,329 --> 00:37:43,519 a young child whether it's beliefs that 847 00:37:50,019 --> 00:37:46,339 you carry from the spirit realm it may 848 00:37:51,279 --> 00:37:50,029 well be a mix of all of them and I don't 849 00:37:52,390 --> 00:37:51,289 think we understand it but I have a 850 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:52,400 feeling my time's up 851 00:37:59,240 --> 00:37:55,770 yes thank you very much Pamela